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Comment on Tim Wise’s lecture
September 13, 2011, 6:30 pm
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Dear Bonners:

For those of you who attended Tim Wise’s lecture, please take a minute and share your reflections on our blog.  For those of you who didn’t get a chance to attend, please watch this clip– http://www.timwise.org/2011/08/short-presentation-on-white-privilegeracism-austin-peay-state-university-2011/– and comment on it.

Please build on the comments of your fellow Bonners, so our blogging becomes a virtual conversation!

Best,
Christian

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The clip on Tim Wise’s speech sounded almost exactly like my history course last semester ( Modern American 214,in case any one is interested in white privilege more than what was described by Tim). I thought it was interesting that he termed privilege to be beneficial but yet dangerous. I think everyone can agree with that statement, especially for those of us whom are White.It’s quite clear to most individuals but even more so by those who do not attain white privilege that we are oblivious to reality, how we truly act, and how we benefit. I also enjoyed his clarification about what he meant by white privilege, being of a psychological/social aspect rather than materialistic. (Most often some people of privilege believe that they do not attain this idea of privilege because they had a rough up bringing, had a poor education, was in a dysfunctional family, and etc.) White privilege has allowed us to think that we were not responsible for the people who suffer due to it; it simply isn’t our problem (mindset of many). I guess the final thing I’d like to note on that Tim had mentioned in his speech was that he speaks about white privilege and expresses the issue aloud not for blame or shame but for understanding the division. I think that’s the most important thing. It’s not about feeling guilty or looking for a scapegoat to blame the problem on, it’s about recognizing the problem is there.

Comment by Nikki Murlo

I am thrilled that I was able to go see Tim Wise speak. I loved his “take no prisoners” attitude, speaking style and his passion. He essentially “called out” the white race for the way we live our lives day to day, in the most intelligent manner possible, laying out only facts to back up his argument and not making any ridiculous claims. His humor and witty metaphors were extremely effective in making everyone question their mindset, and look at the advantages most of us have as what they truly are- a privilege.

Comment by Val

I can only imagine what it would have been like to see Wise speak in person. After watching the clip I can see that Wise spends a lot of time making sure that he is saying things in a way that will get people to look deeper into how they act and not simply turning them away. His objective is not to upset people but rather make them think. What Wise said about President Obama and minorities being viewed as a group was very interesting to me. I’d heard it before but I feel he expressed very well. For whites there is no stereotype that they need to rise above or could potentially fall below but for minorities that is exactly the case. In getting ready to take the LSAT I have been thinking about the score I may get and what it would look like to law schools. I have been thinking, “I hope I can get X score so that I’m viewed as an intelligent black male and not someone less than I think I am.” It is a difficult test but nevertheless I am nervous about the outcome and how it will be seen by someone on the outside. I can’t imagine not having to think about details like that. That, to me, hit home about what white privilege can mean.

Comment by Gerald Glover

I appreciated your clear and detailed reflection on Wise’s speech Nikki; were you taking notes lol? I also also thought that it was cool how he addressed right off the bat the reaction from White people that this isn’t ‘our mess’, we didn’t do this, so we aren’t racist and, therefore, we are not a part of the problem and are absolved of the responsibility to clean it up.
I also really liked his point that it is the very nature of privilege not to realize that it exists. It is something that a person with privilege of any kind has to make an effort to acknowledge and begin to expand the lens through which we see our world. I can certainly relate to not wanting to bring up the topic of race for fear of saying something wrong or just assuming that NO ONE wants to talk about it.
He was a wonderful speaker, engaging, entertaining, direct, and clearly very intelligent. I am so glad that I was able to go.
Oh, i also really enjoyed learning about how the housing and unemployment crises developed and how by believing that these issues were of no concern to us (White people) and abandoning those being effected (Blacks and Hispanics mostly) we ended up sabotaging our selves. Irony at its finest; so much for being an intelligent species. AND i liked his term “reverse Robin Hood”. OK, I’ll shut up now :)

Comment by Danel

I completely agree with you Danel. That was definitely my favorite part. I thought it was a great way of showing that even though Whites in this generation did not directly contribute to slavery and segregation it remains a problem that needs to be resolved. This means that not only Whites but also those of all races should do everything in their power to eliminate the systemic and cultural racism that still exists for the good of our society.

I really liked how he spoke and I thought he made what can sometimes be an awkward situation, a comfortable yet informative lecture. I really liked the way he spoke and instead of blaming specific large groups of people, he motivated everyone to get up and do something!

Comment by Kenza

I was super impressed with the way that Tim Wise spoke, and his ability to take what could be an uncomfortable subject or a potentially dry academic matter and easily engage the audience.

I think he effectively conveyed his thoughts, while not simply “blaming” the Whites in society, but instead the entire system and asking everyone to examine their own privileges. I agree with Nikki in saying that understanding white privilege is not about blame. When it does become about blame, it renders any sort of progress on the issue ineffective.

I really appreciated his distinction between blame and responsibility. Taking responsibility for the world around us is the only way to actually incite action and change.

Comment by Danielle

I enjoyed his speech online on “White Privilege” because he brought up the fact that black people are more likely to be stopped for drugs while white people are more likely to have drugs but not be stopped. Also he said how if Obama mispronounced as many words as Bush did, it would have been taken as a group flaw instead of just one white person.
“There is no stereotype for white male intelligence” is true! There is no group flaw for white males in testing situations.
White people really haven’t had to worry about racial problems. We don’t have to think about it because we don’t have to go through it. This is true but so wrong! We have to treat everyone equally and that only starts with stepping into other races’ shoes. We think that our story is the dominant story and we don’t have to think about the other stories that make up our history. It’s sad, but I believe we can change it! Doing Big Things :D

Comment by Paige Fronheiser

Tim Wise is an extraordinarily rare white person to encounter in this world. As Michael Eric Dyson praises him, in the national reviews of “White Like Me,” “He is a national treasure.” There are very few who have the same courage and commitment which Wise has dedicated to the struggle of fostering consciousness and striving towards the eradication of white privilege. He speaks with as bombastically as a southern preacher and lyrically as the likes of Baldwin; he truly has a tremendous gift. I am especially grateful for having the privilege to be able to see him: that fact, in and of itself, is a testimony to how significantly we, as college students at an extremely costly private, liberal arts college, benefit from what is unconsciously acknowledged as a basic entitlement we deserve. Meanwhile, there is a fractional percentage of people in the world who have the same capability to do what we are doing. While racial justice is one of the more significant issues we need to address in our society, Tim Wise spoke adamantly to a point often neglected from what David Foster Wallace termed as the “default setting,” our unconscious methodology of interacting and viewing the world exclusively from a first-person perspective. That is to say, we often become so engrossed in what we consider to be a normative experience in the world, as fish swimming in water, that we fail to recognize that an infinitely expanding number of realities are present. This is one of the more significant points I observed in Tim Wise’s lecture: the necessity of removing ourselves from this default setting and recognizing the privileges we posses in order to redress the disadvantages from which a large portion of this world suffers. Obtaining a duality of consciousness is thus one the first preliminary steps to enacting social change- this ability being least evident in the white community. In order for anyone to understand the world, we must first become cognizant of the fact that the thoughts, emotions, and opinions generated by our perceptions are entirely unique and singularly existent as a water molecule or a star in the cosmos. Simultaneously, we share a common human experience. As Martin Luther King, Jr. stated, we are tied together in the garment of destiny, united in an inescapable network of mutuality such that my ability to be who I am is entirely contingent upon your ability to be who you are and your ability to be who you are is entirely contingent upon my ability to be who I am. When we recognize ourselves as integral parts of a universal whole, then may we understand the importance of each and every human being.

Comment by Codey Young

I’m so glad that I was able to go to Tim Wise’s lecture! I think he is a wonderful speaker with so much passion and is really capable of drawing in the crowd. He uses wit and clever remarks to draw in the crowd, all the while maintaining a serious attitude about race in this country. I think it’s so empowering that as a white male is able to call out on his own race and show what so many people are doing wrong. It really got me thinking how privileged I am and how in some ways may take for granted the life that I have. Finally, I think it’s important that he stated that he is not blaming white citizens of this problem, it is our responsibility as citizens (no matter what our race is) that we help out and try to end racial discrimination.
Codey: I love everything that you wrote! I agree 100% :)

Comment by Kaitlyn

Tim Wise is correct when he describes himself as an angry white man. I think it is a combination of this attitude and the endless stream of facts that make him more capable of opening people’s eyes to white privilege instead of letting them shut down and not even bother listening. That’s the thing that gets me when it comes to trying to open the eyes of people who don’t want to acknowledge white privilege – it’s so hard to get that first wedge in, to get people to listen. But I felt a sense of unexpected ease in the room, despite the tricky subject. And, yes, the group attending was probably pretty self-selecting and I doubt anyone without at least some kind of pre-existing understanding of privilege attended, but it’s still remarkable that a white man could speak candidly to a mixed group of individuals and give them permission to laugh and get pissed off at a very real problem together without feeling like everyone was treading on eggshells.
I can think of a lot of people on this campus that I would like to be able to force to attend a Tim Wise lecture. Because even if they wouldn’t end up taking in 90% of the point, I trust that this kind of speech would be able to drive the start of the wedge in to open up their eyes.
So now that we’re all pissed of, and I’m an angry white chick, I want to start fixing the systematic issues that perpetuate privilege. The one thing that I wish I could have walked out with was some kind of hope. Wise points out so many flaws that it seems almost overwhelming, and looking back on the lecture in West Chester and listening to the clip makes me feel super depressed and powerless. But at least Wise is going out and trying to make a difference by trying to inform the community, because he has the privilege to be able to do so.

Comment by Maire

Race is a social construct that divides people into distinct groups based on characteristics such as physical appearance or skin color, ancestral heritage, cultural association, cultural history, and ethnic classification. Race also divides people by the social, economic and political needs of a society at any given point in time.

Racism is based on two main premises: people can be divided into separate biological groups and some of these groups are morally subordinate to others.

I have never read a book, an article, or even a tweet authored by Tim Wise. I’d heard of him in conversation, and I always told myself, “I’ll get around to reading his book White Like Me.” I was not expecting what I heard and saw at Westchester during his presentation.

His words flowed; he was comfortable. Tim Wise owned the stage like a comedian-the only difference being that he was speaking about something with this sign “no-no this doesn’t exist in our country” spray painted all over. He didn’t sugarcoat anything. He began saying that white people don’t want to talk about race and racism because of the fear of saying the wrong thing and being called racist. He added on that black people don’t bring up race because bringing up the topic allows for a sense of vulnerability and a risk of feeling diminished. The Wise man was correct. Every time I try to have a conversation about race and racism, people try to shy away or walk on eggshells over the topic.

Tim Wise emphasized that “whiteness” was an ideology and an institution that reproduces whiteness as domination. He brought in an anecdote from when he was living with nine other people in New Orleans. The comparison between the vile, decaying, rotting pot of gumbo to racism in the United states was brilliant. The outcome of the comparison was that it doesn’t matter if you are the author/creator of the unpleasantness. It matters if you are tired of living in the “funk.” If you are tired of living in the residue of others. If you want to improve the situation. You need to take matters into your own hands.

First of all, the analogy of the nasty gumbo to racism was on point. Who the hell wants to deal with racism today? People are to scared to even look into themselves and see all of the prejudices they make on a daily basis. Too scared to analyze all of the comments, all of the remarks, all of the ideas we have about people of different races. People are to scared to discover that they themselves are racist. When President Obama stated at the democratic convention that we are the United States of America, and not a cooperative of hundred of races and ethnicities, America took a step back. Of course, people think it’s all good.

I know for a fact that everything Tim Wise spoke about was on point. When talking about racism to my friends of mixed races, they always tell me how difficult it is for them to accept themselves. They have to go every day thinking about what other people think of them. There in a place of in-between. People expect them to take sides and because of their mixed races, they are treated differently by other people. I think it’s disgusting and unjust that people have to go through this. It hurts me personally that we cant speak about race at Ursinus and between people of different races. There’s so much I wish for, so much I wish I understood.

I know my vision of the world is limited to my experiences but part of being human is being able to understand. I understand that perception is shaped by identity and I really wish that people would question the lenses they peek out of more often.

Comment by Gladys

I think one of the reasons Tim Wise’s lectures are so powerful is the simple fact that he IS white. Because of the fact that he is a white male (the highest on the food chain) lecturing about what white people need to do to help end this plague, he is that much more motivating and captivating. One of the points he made was that people of color have known that things aren’t fair all their lives, while white people have continued to sit around on their high-horse and pretend like nothing is wrong. Now ask yourself this question: if Tim Wise were black or a person of color, and made that same statement, how many people would see it as a “typical complaint” rather than comment intended to give a wake-up call to whites? It’s about time one of our own plays the devil’s advocate in a sense, to show us how we’ve been blinding ourselves for so many years.

It has always bothered me when people have denied having privilege, but I feel like with some people (especially here at Ursinus) that is what I expect. A lot of people here act like they have no idea what’s going on, and others do know what’s going they just choose to do nothing about it. I think we all need to dismiss the thoughts of “it wasn’t me.. I didn’t do it” and finally get our hands dirty in the matter. Understanding what privileges you were and were not given is the first step. When most people think of privilege, it seems as though they only think monetarily, rather than looking into some of the other privileges he mentioned, such as education, being able-bodied, etc. Mostly everyone in some way shape or form was denied a privilege of some sort, and understanding that (i.e. – understanding that very few people leave perfect lives) is what can bring us closer together as humans and in a sense, level the playing field. Once we’ve accepted our privileges, it’s time to make a point not to abuse whatever power we’ve been given, which is a common temptation for all people. That also includes not “milking it” when feeling underprivileged.

Once people become more “aware of their surroundings” (i.e. understand their privilege and how it affects the people around them) we can begin to move forward. Obviously you can’t always help what privileges you were given, but you can be understanding and more compassionate towards those who were not as fortunate as you. White people especially need to figure out a way to end the cycle of privilege and create more opportunities for people of color to experience the same luxuries. Tim Wise’s lecture was incredibly inspiring to me, and I hope we can all actually take his advice and have more conversations like this with the people who will benefit most from discussing it. Otherwise, just like he said, nothing is going to change, and that would be highly unfortunate.

Comment by Daria

I definitely agree, Daria. I can understand that it can be difficult for a white person to acknowledge that they have some unfair privilege without their doing anything to gain or encourage it. However, it is angering that people are able and willing to deny it when they are very much aware of it. For example, in my Religious and Civil Rights class last semester, we read the older book Killers of the Dream, where there was very good example of this.

A young women attends a program led by the writer which raises her awareness of the injustices faced by black people specifically (even worse at the time) and has her realize that black people are not inherently inferior. After all this- instead of wanting to change things or help, she tells the writer that she will live her life as if she had never learned what she did, because it is too much for her. She even says she will have a family, and she will continue to pass on the ideas on race she was taught and in effect continue to propagate the system.

This was very angering because there is such a difference one person can make, and because it was so unfair of her to wash her hands of the issue. Honestly, if there’s one thing I’ve learned it’s that “injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” It is sickening to me that she could voluntarily, intentionally choose to do nothing when she knew it was wrong.

It did not seem to matter to her that the injustice that it was ”unbearable” for her to know of and feel she had some blame in was much more unbearable for the people living it.

It is referring to see (at least in video : P ) Tim Wise speak so mostly because, as many people said, he is white. While I have been fortunate in knowing many amazing white people who acknowledged and worked against white privilege, I feel like that happens much less here. So many people choose to deny and be angry at the very idea that they have privilege without their doing anything. Even if they acknowledge it, they don’t understand that to simply do so without action is also to continue it…. Neutrality isn’t possible.

Comment by Elizabeth

Based on the video clip, I think Tim Wise did a good job summarizing the issue of racism and how ignorance and complacency can compound this problem. I liked his discussion of how racism can still persist in a country that has elected a black president. The argument that a single election has eradicated racial issues has always bugged me. I thought Wise’s discussion of the difference between systemic change and individual power was nuanced and a well thought out counter to that argument. His parallel of the election of Benazir Bhutto being elected and its connection to women’s rights and Barack Obama’s election as President to racism was a good one. While both were good steps in the right direction, they by no means solved the larger issues of racism and equality. I think others would benefit from reading Wise’s work and keeping an open mind in general.

Comment by Nikhil

Though I did not get to go to the lecture, I found the online video to be an engaging look at white privilege. It is a topic that has come up in my classes before and something that we have talked about in Bonner class last year, though Tim Wise was particularly good at presenting the subject in an academic yet very engaging manner. It is a difficult subject to discuss; last year after talking about it in Bonner class I had a discussion with my brother about white privilege and was met with some resistance. To make a white person understand the concept of white privilege is difficult because of the nature of privilege. White people do not generally see the privilege; they tend to see their situation as normative and don’t understand the disparities that exist because many are not exposed to them. In this way Tim Wise was particularly powerful. To see a white male with such a deep understanding of the issue of privilege and be able to dissect it in such an engaging way is rare. The manner in which he approached the subject was also powerful. Rather than throwing blame around he attempted to motivate and inspire people to work together to destroy the systematic and institutional bias and racism which is so prevalent in our culture.
Paige, I agree with you that the points about Obama are interesting. In the 2008 election we saw very clear evidence of the white privilege that exists in this country. Everything that Obama did was in part evaluated based on his race, which was not the case with the other candidates. Look at Sarah Palin for example: she had a daughter who got knocked up and a husband who for years was affiliated with a political party whose aim was secession. For them, these were personal matters of course. If Barack Obama had an unmarried pregnant daughter and his wife was a speaker at an Alaskan Independence Party convention, I STRONGLY doubt that news anchors and political commentators would have given these issues the same treatment.

Comment by Joshua Picard

When agreeing to attend Tim Wise’s speech on Thursday, I had no idea what to expect. I thought that it would be a similar experience to the one I had last year when we watched that movie about the family in Rhode Island who started the slave trade. Surprisingly, it was totally different; I really liked this. Tim Wise did not have any type of condescending attitude, something I have come accustomed to expect when talking on this subject. Although, I did like his “no bullshit” and “tells it like it is” outlook. I was really able to understand more about the concept of privilege through his talk. Last year it was hard for me to grasp why people were still so angry about something in the past, even though obviously it was horrible, that they could do nothing about; but now I know that the anger is about the effects that this has caused and the unwillingness of people to change today. Now that I am aware of the problems that are apparent, I begin to notice them more and more. Before, I was totally oblivious to this because I was “colorblind,” but especially through this experience, I realized there is no such thing.

Comment by Joy McDermott




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